The Public Reaction to Rishbala story
The Strange ways of Winning and Losing of Rishbala
God's hand in bringing Rishbala together.
Ganesha Sthapana and Visarjan Track
The Public Reaction to Rishbala story.
The reaction from viewers is an intentional part of the story. Allow me to explain.
RK insulted Madhu publically. However public sympathy is with Madhu- the wife. That's why Madhu has not lost. It was RK as the husband who lost his dignity.
I understand this is the story of RK and Madhu. it is their fight. Then why have both RK and MB involved people in their battle ? Why MB says I will be wife outside but not in private ? RK takes the game further and he makes it public telling everyone that MB this is what you said to me. Now between the two, the audience, or the people at the party, or society at large, we are disgusted with this game. We are disgusted when the sacred bond of marriage is being ridiculed and made fun of. We are unable to agree with this. Its not like RK humiliating MB, for us, the society; it is the husband humiliating his wife.
Remember, what RK said in his proposal? He said "kismet ki yeh lakiren mitaana chaahta hoon" But now what happened ? Kismat in the form of Society came in between. We are disgusted with the game and we are screaming to RK, "Play the game fairly. Do not make mockery of our rules if you want to use them". And our spokesperson becomes Radhaji , who now on Monday (today) will show RK what we are thinking of him.
RK thinks he is playing God/destiny maker with MB. But after Friday, it seems God is playing game with RK and changing his destiny.
The Strange ways of Winning and Losing of Rishbala
RK was planning to humiliate MB. The Tick Tock game is still on. MB knew it and that's why she was reluctant to come to the party. She feared it and came only under the blackmail threat. Bittooji also had an inkling that it may become explosive match anytime. He doesn't trust his boss. So was Kukkuji anticipating the storm.
There is this parallel unconscious longing from Rishabh Kundra who gets besotted to Madhubala. With each win of RK and loss of MB, Rishabh Kundra is also losing himself to MB. RK was pleased that MB finally came down, but Rishabh Kundra lost himself to her beauty and magnificence.
Rishabh Kundra would have come out of this trance in one or the other way. Yesterday it so happened that RK's mommy was instrumental in breaking the trance for the vulnerable Rishabh and soon the powerful RK took over and he was back in form.
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Already I have been keeping the score card between the two of them. You know what with each passing game, the impact is felt by RK in one or the other manner.
For RK, his journey of knowing Madhubala has been
Admiration of her guts and beauty
Hating her
Avenging himself for sending him to jail
Showing her, her proper place in his world, the lesson that no one teaches or tells RK what to do.
Apart from that with each passing tug of war between the two, RK loses himself to Madhubala, even if he wins on every target that he sets for himself. With each loss of Madhubala, RK cages her more and more and in paradoxical manner, he gets besotted by the same prisoner. For now, he is in a state, where he cannot stand her being NOT PRESENT physically before his eyes.
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- RK though he succeeds in breaking the spirit of his aadhi-adhoori Biwi for trying to become his wife that evening in the party, by the end of the night and breaking into next dawn, RK ends up doing the contrary thing. He becomes the caring husband to his aadhi-adhoori Biwi.
- Likewise, Madhubala when she wins over RK for her belief that RK will make peace with his Ganesha, she ends up losing herself totally to Rishabh Kundra. She becomes RK's full-fledged wife.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD3ZTbUzUp4
God's hand in bringing Rishbala together.
God's thinking...
- Let me set up Madhu against Rishabh Kundra
- Let me see them supporting each other inspite of themselves.
One such example is himself being the object causing the conflict.
Madhu's forceful attempts to have RK reconcile to Ganesha (Oct 1st to 5th October)
and RK's answer to Madhu's coercive tactics (Episode 8th October 2012).
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3231627&TPN=8
APPLICATION OF FORCE HAS NEVER WON LOVE or FAITH.
Madhu sees that today. Rishabh made her realize that.
Madhu does not relent. She now wants her Bappa to help her in taking RK down.
Bad!!!
Madhu needs to understand that every person has a personal equation with God and that is as private as other precious things of our life. She cannot tresspass that sanctity.
Coming to episode analysis on 8th October...
Finally RK gave everything back to Madhu.
We saw that, he had been reticent to some extent allowing his wife to celebrate the festival. He believed she would not bother him and let him be living in his room the way he wants, not celebrating. He had been in "katti" with his Bappa for years now. Its a relationship turned sour. But there was a rishta quietly and fiercely guarded.
But Madhu had to interfere.
Madhu had to be the religioius extremist. She needs everyone to follow the ritualistic traditions. For her believing in Ganapati is tying the mouli, eating the Modak, participating in Aarti, partaking the feast prepared ih Bappa's honour.
Rishabh does not do any of these. So does that make him any less believer ? He had a dialogue with Bappa when no one was around. It was a private one. Some people converse with God in all privacy. He may be angry with Bappa, but when his friend came to stay at his house he allowed him to stay as his other family members wanted him to. He did not let the Akhand Jyoti get extinguished. Small gestures of "atithi Satkaar"
Had Madhu let RK alone, none of the drama would have resulted.
She should not have challenged him to come and partake meals or leave things deliberately in the room. That was a COERCIVE TACTIC. Never helps to gain faith. Instead it serves some of us to become more stubborn. So RK does the Kabab drama and chawl drama. The Biwi does not stop making it public about RK's attempts at saving the flame. With that act she inflames Rishabh to become the bad boy and off he takes her to chawl and does what he has to do...to teach her to stay away from rubbing her UNSOLICITED OPINIONS on HIM.
I liked it. I have never liked people being forced to observe rituals. Rituals are just means of expression. And Expression happens in countless ways. So why stick to few types, few imaginations. The Hindi word of POMP...is AADAMBAR. Could not remember if Rishabh/RK used it or not. But he definitely used Tamasha.
So relieved that finally RK and Rishabh spoke today. It was RK speak in the chawl. But it was actually RISHABH KUNDRA who was enacting all the performance.
Since Rishabh Kundra is already a believer, he doesn't need any chamatkar. Its just the battle of wills. Bappa's event, his giant image is enough to invoke all memories within Rishabh. Its then just a fight between happiness and bitterness that the memories provide. Whichever weighs higher on his emotional scale, he is gonna do that.
Madhu's joyful moments at seeing Rishabh making up with Ganesha and in minutes turning those to painful moments as RK gets shot (Episode 9th October 2012).
Madhu's efforts to save Rishabh and her stand-off with God (Episode 10th to 12th October)
GOD grants Madhu's wish. She sees Rishabh making up with God.
RISHABH OFFERING HIMSELF TO GOD TO BE BLESSED
Continuing from where we stopped. Rishabh chooses happiness felt in loosing himself to his God. He no longer wants to be deprived of happiness, he wants to away with the sense of loss in God's encompassing love, beyond any logic or reason.
MADHU SENSING DEPRIVATION WITHOUT RISHABH
Madhu sees that today. God made her realize that. The one Rishabh felt years ago.
Madhu does not understand why RK was being taken away from them like that when he offered himself to God.
FIGHTING THE ODDS TO SAVE RISHABH
Now what is Madhu going to do ? Who is she going to stand up against ? Its the man who has filled himself in her mind and has taken every thought. She needs him to live so that she can live. The fight cannot end without any result. She tries to save him against all odds even if that means showing to God that she deserves to be endowed with Rishabh's life for all her faith in HIM.
The episode started with Madhu's negotiation with Ganapati. Give me back RK's life in return for all these years devotion to you. And why that negotiation? She says, "Rishabh ke andar maine apka ka vishwaas jagaya diya hai. Lekin ab mere andar ka vishwaas na bujh jaaye, woh aapki zimmedari hai."
GOD BLESSES MADHU and RISHABH
God blesses Madhu with Rishabh's life.
God blesses Rishabh with Madhu's devotion for him.
God knows that Rishabh will not understand what he has done for him, but he trusts Madhu and knows one day Madhu will make Rishabh understand this is what he needed most in his life. Someone to be there for him forever in all devotion.
Rishabh is indebted to Madhu for his life. Which he cannot deny. It going to be difficult for him to handle that Madhu has made Rishabh the most important person in her life and she cannot retrace on it and which Rishabh cannot ignore now.
How is Rishabh going to handle this truth conferred on him? He cannot hurt Madhu and yet he cannot accept this? His care and support to Madhu will only make her more devoted. So will be forcibly stop caring for Madhu ? That will only mean hurting himself more. But he gave himself to God. So won't he trust him and lead him to accept the bitter truth ?
But why did God choose Madhu as his blessing for Rishabh ? Because its a convoluted story between Madhu, God and RK and at this stage, Madhu had started it all. Hence her guilt feeling to some extent ... Read on the below.
FIGHTING THE ODDS TO SAVE RISHABH
Now what is Madhu going to do ? Who is she going to stand up against ? Its the man who has filled himself in her mind and has taken every thought. She needs him to live so that she can live. The fight cannot end without any result. She tries to save him against all odds even if that means showing to God that she deserves to be endowed with Rishabh's life for all her faith in HIM.
Episode 12th October 2012: Madhu's negotiation with Bappa to save her husband's life
What happened just before the Lekin ? Madhu was seeing RIshabh dancing away in trance, She had seen that Rishabh had gained faith and before she could even have a full look into his eyes, and before she could even express her delighted joy to him, "see I told you, that Bappa will restore your peace", Rishabh took a mortal wound and was about to die. She had so much to talk to her adversary and she never got the chance. So she argues before her Bappa, "Aapko ye saabit karna hoga ki main sahi thee aur woh aapko pathar kehne waala galat tha"
And because, somewhere down this time Madhu had immersed her hesitation to accept how she is bound to RK, she becomes desperate and as his Dharam-patni seeks justice for her husband. She demands God in very matter of principle manner, "Ek baar aap dhoka de chuke hain, ab nahin, ab apne dost ka vishwaas bachaane ka waqt aa gaya hai"
It was beautiful, negotiation loaded with argument and stressing of principle.
Then within the hospital, when doctors give up, I loved how Madhu again slowly starts from periphery and finally calls out to RK to wake up if she means anything to him. She starts with asking him to wake up for himself, his might, his stubborness, his attitude, for his responsibility as the superstar towards his work, his fans, for everything that the man stood for and was known as to the world. He doesn't wake up. She then tries to invoke his latent feelings for his mother, that doesn't serve the purpose. Then she just tries to bait him, don't you want to play with your favourite toy, your Biwi. "Tumhe mujhe Biwi bulaake , dhauns jamaane ka dil nahin kar raha ?"
She almost breaks down here. A thing that used to vex her when he was alive, suddenly seems the only thing they ever shared with each other. The tease and vex. And now she decides to tease him and vex him. You have only two options...Wake up or wake up...poor girl, she almost broke down there.
But why the breakdown ...because of disbelief that the RK who was such a formidable person was being written-off. How was that possible in any manner. How can one believe that. So what does she do. Start chanting her God!! Let him take care...
Beautiful.
GOD BLESSES MADHU and RISHABH
God blesses Madhu with Rishabh's life.
God blesses Rishabh with Madhu's devotion for him.
God knows that Rishabh will not understand what he has done for him, but he trusts Madhu and knows one day Madhu will make Rishabh understand this is what he needed most in his life. Someone to be there for him forever in all devotion.
Rishabh is indebted to Madhu for his life. Which he cannot deny. It going to be difficult for him to handle that Madhu has made Rishabh the most important person in her life and she cannot retrace on it and which Rishabh cannot ignore now.
How is Rishabh going to handle this truth conferred on him? He cannot hurt Madhu and yet he cannot accept this? His care and support to Madhu will only make her more devoted. So will be forcibly stop caring for Madhu ? That will only mean hurting himself more. But he gave himself to God. So won't he trust him and lead him to accept the bitter truth ?
But why did God choose Madhu as his blessing for Rishabh ? Because its a convoluted story between Madhu, God and RK and at this stage, Madhu had started it all. Hence her guilt feeling to some extent ... Read on the below.
Conversations with my friend Leela on what transpired between Madhu and God
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3238098&TPN=8
Leela ,
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Leela ,
You described Madhu as crossing that Rubicon...
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But today, she finally crossed that Rubicon - for a man she has fought and yet become bonded to on a level that goes beyond coherence and thought, reason and logic.
And this is only the first time she will face such a Rubicon.
Today, she held onto her faith at her unbreathing husband's side - because if the Lord failed her, if He ignored what she had threatened and promised, she would lose both Him and her husband. She would lose RK to his friend Bappa, and she herself would lose her faith in Him to the void of hurt of knowing the Lord she trusted absolutely had failed her when it mattered most. What she had considered unreasonable in RK and made excuses to Bappa for, she had not the slightest qualm or hesitation in taking up the same approach.
How strange are the Lord's ways that in seeking to assuage the hurt of one beloved devotee and win him back, He was willing to watch another beloved devotee deprioritize Him in that other's favour.
'Tvameva matacha pita tvameva...' The prayer which states that the Lord is mother and father, sibling and friend. True indeed. Who but the one who is all relations would be willing to place His devotees' wellbeing so highly.
Today, what mattered more than the miracle of Rishabh being restored to life - more even than Rishabh acknowledging openly the faith he has never truly given up on, and setting aside his grudge against his divine friend - was Madhu taking that first major step away from the simple devout girl she has always been.
A girl who was straightforward, naively idealistic, and for whom her mother and foster father mattered immensely.Today she faced off against the very Lord she has trusted no matter what until now - for a man she acknowledges only duty and commitment to, but feels for on the most inherent primal plane.
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Absolutely true. Very beautifully expressed commentary on what was transpiring between God and Madhu with regards to that one person they both care for. If Madhu vowed to return Rishabh to Ganesha and she kept her word, and when Ganesha seemed to take him away with him, Madhu had to ask the same Ganesha to return him back to her as she had vowed to return Rishabh to his mother and she has to keep that word as well. In all of this, she just crossed the rubicon because who was she to vow in the first place ? and if she was getting what she wanted, then she had to lose something as well. Now that's God's casino for you. One loses to him more than what one seems to win. Madhu lost herself to God's game.She unwittingly committed herself to become the wife of the man she never could have thought of doing it in her sanest imagination.
But seriously why did this girl decide in that unthinking manner to give two commitments to two persons, one a mother and other the God ? And what was the subject of commitment ? RK ? Was RK even hers to begin with and to make those kind of promises ? Wasn't she like playing in a Casino ? Did she even know what was at stake ?
She realizes the incredulity of her promise once she realizes that she won the game, once she sees "the RK" that she had known all this time and who is now almost transformed to a person whom she does not know anymore, but has an idea that he must be the most adorable person as God used to love him as the person shared a special bond with him. He was there right before her, but he did not acknowledge her presence at the procession nor here in the hospital, he is just a dying man, not the man that she used to know him as.
One needs imagination to have a vision and a little courage to enterprise and a little perseverance to make it a reality. That's what Madhu ventured on.
However, this tempts me to ask, why would Madhu fixate on this imagination of hers ?
Then my answer is Why did RK fixate on Madhu ? With his twisted imagination to break her ?
They both want to break the persons that they know each to be.
Now the break is complete.
Madhu broke RK ..
RK broke Madhu
Visarjan Sampann
And so let's begin the next level ...New Creations
RIshabh Kundra - so far always been a point of view peep through Radhaji and occasional let-ins from RK. We don't who actually he is. How does he function ?
Madhubala Kundra - She is the new bride now who had until this point played wife under forced circumstances. We now have to see what are the aspirations of this new wife.
Leela,
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>>>>So why then did she feel that her faith would not last if RK died?
Was it because she had goaded him into reconciling with his long-estranged friend Ganpati Bappa?
But she had not succeeded in her goading. She had not been able to bring about a happy reunion.
It was the Lord Himself who finally took a hand in the matter.
Yes. She knows she was the one goading him into. She told RK, he can live in his room until Ganesha lives in the hall for 10 days. And yet, she broke her word and kept, taking mouli, modak to RK's room and leaving those things there. She then has taunt him to come and join in supper (bhoj) if he has the himmat. She then finally has to challenge, leave your drama and submit yourself to God. If you ask me, that was too much. Madhu was just after RK. Seriously had RK not softer feelings for Madhu and hadn't he wanted himself to get defeated from the farthest corner of his mind and heart, Madhu would never have been to get Ganesha into the house.
Yes, she did not succeed in her goading and she did not bring about the reunion. See above. It was RK himself who was willing to be goaded and had his re-union with his God.
Then why did she feel that her faith would not last if RK died,...because Whatever RK may be...even if a monster, RK was a TRUTHFUL MAN, a man of his word. And a truthful man counts and he means something. A truthful and rightful person like Madhu would never be able to forgive a protector like God for doing something unjust equivalent of betrayal. If RK had surrendered to God and Madhu had expressed her gratitude to HIM and amazed at the magical event, then why the inexplicable events thereafter. Its enough to send even the sanest one to a state of shock...so much that one can easily go into state of disbelief.
Madhu calls herself as Hauslon se Veer Hoon, Sankaton mein Dheer hoon. That positive thinking and stoic attitude comes only if one is grounded in some beliefs. But if one is rudely shocked, then already the "Dheer" state is lost. So this is a weak Madhu who had taken a pit-stop at the temple to replenish herself with her fuel ...which is faith.
Lord took matters in his own hands, because Madhu played that kind of dangerous game, if you ask me. Everyone has personal relationship with God. But Madhu wanted to be instrumental in taking RK to his reconciliation with God. You think God would let her go scot-free for all this. She ended up in deep-commitment to RK in front of GOD, which RK himself never gave her the right to commit herself to him in marriage.
Its a convoluted story between Madhu, God and RK and at this stage, Madhu had started it all. Hence her guilt feeling to some extent ...
Ganesha Sthapana and Visarjan Track
Ganesh Chaturthi to Visarjan track is a watershed moment of RK and Madhu's lives.
First time it is that RK was not treating Madhu as his game, property or Biwi, or competitor or felt vulnerable before her.
First time SOMEONE else became more important than his obsession for Madhu.
- It is solely RK's long-due confrontation and make-up with Ganesha. A part of his anger quenched and peace made. RK loses, almost dies, Rishabh and Ganesha win.
- It is soley Madhu's testing of her faith in Ganesha and guided through his faith to accept herself as RK's Wife (Dharampatni). Madhu loses all the anger for RK and now just wants RK wake up and fight with her to give her a reason to start fighting against him for a win. She feels lost without RK now and looks to Ganesha.
- Its visarjan of RK resulting in Madhu's visarjan of her hate history with RK and just accept him for what he is and accept herself to what she is to him, his Biwi.
- Alas! if RK is not there, will Madhu becoming Biwi of RK matter to Rishabh Kundra ? Will Rishabh Kundra accept Madhu as his Biwi now ? Or there is still anything of RK left and that RK visarjan was only to the extent of Madhu's seeing ?
This is a landmark to Rishbala story. And one cannot stop wanting to go on what it meant for Rishbala. I would resist myself becoming a spill and will just summarize in short.
The track metaphorically establishes dissolution of RK and MB that they have been all this time in order to get assimilated with God only to be blessed by HIM to have each other albeit in set path of trials and tribulations. Following God has never been easy. Won't you agree with that.
What this track achieves is:
- MB takes the cue from RK and like him decides to care for him and the first step that she takes is to heal him by addressing his past hurts. She can do nothing to return his Dad, but she can try to get him reconciled to his friend Bappa and his Momma. A thing that MB may never have imagined to do for a man who ruined her life.
- RK allows his wife to be a catalyst in him regaining his faith for Bappa. A thing that RK never allowed anyone to work upon him.
- RK regains his faith making it a symbolic end of RK and rebirth of Rishabh Kundra.
- And when Bappa seems to be claiming RK all for himself, She asks Bappa to give him back to keep her promise to his mother and for Rishabh's sake. She is ready to forego her faith if Bappa doesn't heed to her prayers. A real drama of a clinical death of RK and resurrection of Rishabh Kundra through faith.
I will now present with links to interesting and informative posts we had last week.
Leela's posts are page 1, 9, 10 and 11 of Oct 12th thread
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3238098
Leela exposits the gradual juxtaposition of character traits of Madhu and RK. She also takes us to the subtleties of Ganesha track and the paradigm shift of Madhubala's relationship towards RK and God. She analyses re. Madhubala's faith, her marriage and RK. over here
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3238098&PID=67186876�.
The juxtaposition has always been a case to maintain in repository. We had expectappu doing the same in August end. Check this link.
Ganesha Track -symbolism
SD over Oct 11th thread
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3236434&PID=67078188�
Leela's posts on Oct 12th ED thread, page 1 and 10
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3238098
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3238098&TPN=10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEIDQzwegkQ
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